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01 Apr 2021 19:29 #272623 by KalliSL
It is simply amazing and overwhelming !

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01 Apr 2021 22:43 #272639 by Chromix
Looks like a christmas tree after you turned on the illumination for the first time .....

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03 Apr 2021 21:56 #272811 by Racediagnostics
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I finished off installing parts in the engine bay today.

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Then cleaned and sanded the downpipes.

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High temp paint.

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All four parts painted.

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04 Apr 2021 18:33 #272867 by Racediagnostics
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The first job today was to drill out the baffle from the second cam cover.

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My plan is to refit after cleaning with these hammer drive rivets.

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Looks like the old ones were also held in with steel rivets.

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I also used some high temp high strength loctite on the rivets just to be safe.

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Hammered home.

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Next, baking the high temp paint on the downpipes for an hour.

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I should have unwound this first, the heat sensor tripped out after an hour.

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04 Apr 2021 18:33 #272868 by Racediagnostics
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Next, I was a bit worried about the mid section of the engine harness, it was very flexible and felt like the wires had snapped. So I peeled back the braiding only to find that there was only one wire. That checked out to be correct on the wiring diagram.

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Re-braided and fitted.

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Repairs to the seat heater wiring which I had previously had to cut.

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Finally for today, a bit of CAM cover polishing. Before.

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One polished and one to be done.

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That's it for today, looks like the next few days will be bad weather.

Does anyone have any tips on running in the engine and when to do an oil change?

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08 Apr 2021 21:47 - 08 Apr 2021 21:55 #273218 by Racediagnostics
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I had a few days off due to the cold weather and snow as I was going to have to spend a bit of time on my back on the cold concrete.

In the mean time I polished up the second cam cover.

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And picked up a few new parts from Mercedes.

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Next, time for the exhaust to come off.

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It always feels much heavier than expected, I will have to split it for refitting.

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Getting this clip onto the gear shift link was a pain, it took me 30 minutes to get on due to restricted access.

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Transmission support cradle and original pan fitted.

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Earth cable and pitman arm nut fitted.

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Heat shields on.

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Finally I managed to get the right downpipe fitted.

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There was no way to get the left one fitted single handed, I will need to get Kim to help from the top end tomorrow.

Back now aching due to a combination of the cold and lying down on a combination of tools and parts. Its unfortunately turning cold again for the next few days.

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09 Apr 2021 08:22 #273235 by wusel-53
Hi Jim
I had to assemble the downpipes several times last year, both on the right and left and never had a problem.
I use a jack that pushes the catalytic converter up with the downpipes. Then I have both hands free to screw.

You're doing a great job 

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09 Apr 2021 10:21 #273247 by Racediagnostics
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I have found that on the left downpipe, one of the bolts has to be inserted from below and the nut screwed on from above due to the shape of the manifold. No way to get my hands on the upper side, I am lucky to have my garage helper.

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09 Apr 2021 21:03 #273284 by Racediagnostics
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More work on the exhaust today but first I got the headlights refitted with the new connectors from MB.

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I got the second downpipe fitted then moved onto the middle box, the little scissor lift is handy for this.

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I used this jointing compound, lower one for the main joints and the silicone one for the balancer pipe.

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Middle box fitted.

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Moving on to the rear.

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Connected up, yes the white streaks in the pic are snow.

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I still need to fit the balancer but am not sure how the heat shield is supposed to be oriented, please let me know if you have a picture.

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10 Apr 2021 18:44 - 10 Apr 2021 19:11 #273316 by Racediagnostics
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Today I.........

Fitted the balancer pipe.

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Filled the transmission with 4l of Dexron 2D. The manual calls for 4l initial fill then another ~4.9l once the engine is started.

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This meets the spec.

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Bit by bit in here.

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Spark plugs out again.

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These plastic washers protect the panels from the battery tray.

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Battery in and good quiescent current.

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Ready to try to build oil pressure....

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Bad news, I couldn't get any oil pressure.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aVyGzERhvw

I tried with another battery but with no success, I don't think the engine is spinning fast enough to get the oil pump to pick up oil.

Any suggestions on what to try next?

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10 Apr 2021 19:48 #273318 by Seewolf107
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Well Jim, did you prefill the oil filter or was it empty ?
If it was empty you could check if it is oil in there now.
Did you check the other bank ?
Did you or your wife read the oil pressure gauge in the cluster,it should move before oil is getting to the camshafts ?

As I changed the oil filter housing gasket and the camshaft on my OM617(everything was empty)  it took I think nearly 40 Seconds of cranking (added together) to get oil to the cam.
 

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10 Apr 2021 19:57 #273319 by Racediagnostics
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Oil filter cannister was pre-filled and I also tried while looking at the pressure gauge, it didn't move.

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10 Apr 2021 22:07 #273324 by Dieseldok
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Hello Jim,

are you turning the engine without plugs?

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10 Apr 2021 22:15 #273325 by Racediagnostics
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Yes, plugs out.

Just checked the oil circuit, I will fill the oil cooler tomorrow and try again.

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10 Apr 2021 23:42 #273328 by Chromix
Hi Jim,

I don't believe that 110 mA are a good quiescent current, I think this is way to high. But I don't either believe that a clamp-on meter will give you a reliable measurement at such a low reading.

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10 Apr 2021 23:58 #273329 by Dieseldok
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Hello,

if you mount the camshaft cover and close all other openings you could give some air pressure on the engine block.

Open the oil cooler and the air pressure will push the oil via oil pump and filter into the cooler and most air traps should be gone.

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11 Apr 2021 01:05 #273330 by markus1971
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Hello Jim,

are you sure that there is enough oil in the oil pump? This guy (see link) had the same problem after replacing the oil pump...maybe it helps you,

forum.mercedesclub.de/index.php?thread/2...nach-pumpen-wechsel/

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11 Apr 2021 20:22 - 11 Apr 2021 20:32 #273373 by Racediagnostics
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The short story is, I am an idiot and shouldn't be trusted with a spanner.

The long story is ........

It's lucky that the oil cooler has a port on the top where oil can be added.

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My oil pressure kit had a suitable adapter.

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1 1/2 l of oil added.

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What! The oil had found its way through all of the oil galleries and was exiting under the right cam cover which was not tightened down.

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I thought "great, the pump should be primed, I will try using the starter again and I'm sure to get pressure". No! Still no oil pressure.

So next I connected the fill hose to the top of the cooler and removed the feed to the oil filter so the oil could only go back to the pump. I connected the air line and nothing happened. A total blockage between the cooler and the pump. It looked like there was a non return valve but there isn't one.

So I decided to look along the oil path from the pump to the cooler. First there is a port near the output of the oil pump.

Access is very restricted, I wasn't sure if I would gut the lower plug out due to the dip stick tube.

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Got the plug out, bone dry !.

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Dry in the port, on the left you can see the hard line to the oil damper (which is straight through).

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Connection to the far side of the damper, dry !!

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Connection to the lower port of the cooler, dry !!! WHAT, I can see in the top port, the oil cooler is full.

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Right, the cooler must be blocked, so I put some air pressure into the top of the cooler.

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11 Apr 2021 20:22 - 11 Apr 2021 20:37 #273374 by Racediagnostics
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Then got a big splatter and mess down below! The blockage cleared.

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Does anyone else remember me putting this plug into the bottom of the cooler to stop it dripping.

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11 Apr 2021 20:55 #273376 by Dr-DJet
Hi Jim,

that is really a problem with your 450 SL. May I propose that I free you of these problems by taking over your car. For small money of course as oil does not circulate and it has the steering wrongly mounted anyhow.

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Great story with the plug! I keep my fingers crossed that this was the only problem you will face. I am sure you would master them all. 

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12 Apr 2021 17:39 - 12 Apr 2021 18:05 #273401 by Racediagnostics
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Just a teaser.


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12 Apr 2021 17:43 #273402 by T-Modell

Just a teaser.

youtu.be/OGUN1TaT6kAY
 
You like to "mess" around, do you? ;-) ... coming a bit from the North? ;-)
Fantastic build and a great video. Hats off to your work. It's amazing what Brits can achieve, once they're liberated from the continent

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12 Apr 2021 17:45 - 12 Apr 2021 18:04 #273404 by Racediagnostics
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Here is the main feature.


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12 Apr 2021 18:07 #273407 by Dr-DJet
Hi Jim,

congrats it is running! I dared to change your link to a direct embed. You can do yourself via clicking on video icon (2nd from right), slect Youtube as provider and then add the Youtube ID from v=...

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12 Apr 2021 18:24 #273408 by Pete
Wow, Jim, I´m really impressed!
Great to follow your work steps and see the perfect result!

Good luck for the rest of your project.
 

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12 Apr 2021 19:15 #273409 by terrier
5 month, 12 days,
engine and engine bay fully restored. !!
Great Job !! Respekt !!

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12 Apr 2021 19:18 #273410 by KaiDase
Great work Jim,

It’s been so much fun following the progress, but what an amazing feeling it must be for you to fire her up for the first time!

Looking forward to the finishing off and the first ride :-)

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12 Apr 2021 19:21 #273412 by Chromix
Congratulations!
The teaser reminds me a bit to the engine in "Das Boot". But the U-boat engine was running at normal speed then

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12 Apr 2021 21:05 #273425 by Moerten
I am really impressed Jim. Good work, everything documented (the failures as well) and a happy end. Sounds like a fairy tale. I enjoyed and read everything with pleasure. Thanks for sharing this with us in every little detail. BTW, I am a little bit jealous about your passion and courage doing all this work.

Thumbs up, mate!

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12 Apr 2021 22:06 - 12 Apr 2021 22:07 #273431 by KalliSL
As Karl Valentin said.....

"everything is said, but not from everybody "

I can only ad my admiration.

Kalli

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