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Engine rebuild with no former experience........

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5 years 10 months ago #261680 by Rudiger
Jim, do you have plenty of room in front? What’s your intended, swing engine and transmission side ways?
Rudiger

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5 years 10 months ago #261681 by Thomas2509
Jim, I really suggest to put off the bonnet.
It is easy to remove and you need the space.
And take a additional look to the transmission. I forgot one wiring harness connection at the transmission and damaged the connector.
Best regards Thomas

Es grüßt herzlich
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5 years 10 months ago #261684 by Racediagnostics
Hi Rudiger, once the engine is out I will push the car back out of the garage to give space to manoeuvre the engine.

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Jim

1979 450SL - 2008 911 Turbo

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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #261725 by Racediagnostics
The first task this morning was to remove the air intake vents so that the bonnet could be lifted higher. The main problem doing this is due at least 50% of the pegs used in the plastic rivets disappearing.

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The car pushed out of the garage a bit to allow the engine hoist to be positioned.

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The bonnet support felt very secure in this position, ready to lift.

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It took nearly an hour to get the engine into this position, it kept jamming between the right exhaust manifold against the chassis rail and the bell housing on the steering box. In the end I had to remove the exhaust manifold on the right which took a at least 30 minutes due to the position of its fixing. You can also see from this picture it was wise to remove the fuel distributer etc.

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From then on it was straightforward to raise the engine, level it and drop the car onto its wheels then push it back out of the way.

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Engine dropped onto a trolley.

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Next I dragged the car lift back into place.

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I then assembled the engine stand and had a tidy up.

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You can see here the problem area where the bell housing fouled against the steering box. I will trim some of this off to improve clearance.

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I videoed the entire extraction but will need to edit/fast forward some sections as it's 90minutes long and rather boring.

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Jim

1979 450SL - 2008 911 Turbo
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5 years 10 months ago #261726 by Seewolf107
Jim, why dont you remove the steering Box?
It is not that hard.

Grüsse Claus
1966 Plymouth Belvedere 383, 300D 1983, 280CE W123

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5 years 10 months ago #261727 by markus1971
Hello Jim,

you did a great job! Can you estimate the high to the ceiling that is needed to remove the engine?

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Markus

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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #261728 by Racediagnostics
I will remove the steering box, I plan to refurbish that too.

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Jim

1979 450SL - 2008 911 Turbo
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5 years 10 months ago #261729 by Racediagnostics
Hi Markus, around 2m 40cm, but less of you remove the bonnet.

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Jim

1979 450SL - 2008 911 Turbo

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5 years 10 months ago #261730 by markus1971
thanks a lot, Jim,;) then I hope for you the screw of the pulley is really missing and not tored off...

best regards Markus

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5 years 10 months ago #261731 by Racediagnostics
It was there 10 years ago when I last used it, now it's gone???

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Jim

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5 years 10 months ago #262040 by Racediagnostics
Back to work today after a walking holiday in the mountains.

Engine lifted again.

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First task was to remove the trans oil cooler pipes.

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Then the starter motor.

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Spark plugs, not looking too good, especially No1 that has had the valve guide issue. They look like they have been running too rich but CO level is on target at 1%, so burning oil from somewhere.

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Transmission dip stick, tube, vacuum line and shift rod removed.

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Torque converter bolts removed via the starter motor aperture.

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Transmission bolts removed and lifted back off, but the torque converter stayed in place.

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Jim

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5 years 10 months ago #262041 by Racediagnostics
The torque converter then just lifted off.

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The trans had been leaking pink fluid from the bottom of the bell housing last year till I put in some snake oil which seems to have fixed the problem. I'll replace both the shaft and pump seal though.

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I then locked up the crank shaft at the front to remove the flex plate.

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Rear cover removed.

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Crank seal plate removed.

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Finally the harmonic balancer bolt on the front of the crank. I bolted this lever on to the rear of the crank and asked Kim to stand on it while I unbolted the front, it came of easily.

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The first task tomorrow will be to fabricate a frame for this old TV to sit in to display the workshop manual in portrait mode.

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Jim

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5 years 10 months ago #262049 by Racediagnostics
Here is an issue I spotted tonight, there is a grove on the journal of the crank shaft where the oil seal sits. Its tricky to photograph, however there is a grove that can easily be felt with my nail (the black line).

Has anyone used a sleeve here before?

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www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1980/mercedes/...t_repair_sleeve.html

www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-ben...+repair+sleeve,10524

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Jim

1979 450SL - 2008 911 Turbo

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5 years 10 months ago #262050 by Rudiger
Jim, I did, on Unimog V10 128 Truck engine, 141 Scania, Chevy 72 400sb and on 69 426 Hemi. Crankshaft front. easy to use, works like new.
Just use some 10 weight engine oil on the inside.
Rudiger
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5 years 10 months ago #262053 by Gullydeckel
Good Morning Jim,

don't do that (now). Just install the new seal ring with 1 or 2mm offset compared to the former seal lip position.
I know from other engines, that for maintenance complete seal assemblies are offered where the seal ring is pressed in on a different axial position by manufacturer. Just to avoid the interference with the old running mark.

Modern seals are made from PTFE with a total different lip design and not produce marks like that anymore.

Best regards Martin

Ich bin jetzt in dem Alter wo ich meine Fehler zugeben könnte - wenn ich welche hätte
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5 years 10 months ago #262080 by Chromix
Hi Martin,

is it possible to position the new seal just 1-2 mm off the former position? Doesn't the seal want to move back to its former position into the groove?

Regards,
Lutz

Nimm Dir jeden Tag die Zeit, still zu sitzen und auf die Dinge zu lauschen.
Achte auf die Melodie des Lebens, die in Dir schwingt.
Buddha
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5 years 10 months ago #262087 by wusel-53
Hi Lutz, hi Jim,

I think, it would be possible. When I changed the seal, it was so hard to get the seal in right Position. I can't belive, that the seal move back in the groove.

Viele Grüße

Thorsten

Man lernt nie aus
380SL (US-Version, Bj.84), Eura-Wohnmobil und ein ebike :-)
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5 years 10 months ago #262088 by Richard64
Hey Jim,

in this case you need an other Crankshaft-Seal. The Part-Numer ist A 120 997 02 46. This Seal has, in the same position as the old one, an offset of 1,5 mm at the main Lip.

Gruß Richard

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5 years 10 months ago #262090 by Gullydeckel
Hi Lutz,

the seal lip design is very stiff in longitudinal direction and about 2mm are enough.
But this space at least must be available. At sealing diameters of this size installing a new seal at old position is not recommended!

Regards Martin

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5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #262091 by wusel-53
I think I have read in the WIS, that there is a repair size if the seal has made a groove

Viele Grüße

Thorsten

Man lernt nie aus
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